Sunday, February 5, 2012

Where can a Murray hide? How about Ireland?

Faced with credit card fraud, a cheating boyfriend, getting kicked out of school, and a troubled home life, did Maura decide to start a new life far from her troubles? And if so, how has she managed to fly under the radar for 8 years?

Is it possible to drive to Canada and take a plane to Ireland, where there are Murrays on every street?

You need a passport to enter Ireland. But does Ireland have to report entry to the U.S.? That's still something I'm researching.

The reason I ask: a source close to Fred Murray claims he or a close family member planned a trip to Killarney, by way of Dublin. Not sure when the trip was to take place or how close it was to Maura's disappearance, but the family had some interest in Killarney as a destination.

Tell ya what. If I ever decide to disappear, this would be a nice place for a long repose.

49 comments:

  1. It wasn't until 2009 that American citizens needed a passport to get into Canada. But Maura would need a passport to fly from say Montreal to Dublin and presumably she had an updated one. Ireland was experiencing an economic boom during the time of Maura's disappearance in 2004 and made it easier for foreigners to get work permits for employment there. Because Maura was't wanted by Interpol presumably there would be no reason for Irish authorities or airlines to divulge any information if requested by US law enforcement or family.

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    1. I went there after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and they were checking everyone's IDs thoroughly with a computer.

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  2. What a thought. Living in Ireland.....I hope this does, yet doesn't turn out to be true.

    LMR

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  3. This may be neither here nor there, but we have dual Irish citizenship granted by documented grandparents and paents-in-law born in Ireland. Our children qualify (if the tedious paperwork is filed), and as a spouse, I qualified until a few years ago when they closed that loophole.
    Try the Irish Consulate in Boston; they may have info.

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  4. Although, it surely costs more than a couple hundred dollars to fly to Dublin from the US. If she did this, she must have had some financial help from somewhere ....

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  5. Americans with parents or grandparents who were born in Ireland can still obtain Irish Citizenship and apply for an Irish passport:

    http://www.ireland-fun-facts.com/irish-passport.html

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  6. Anonymous @ 9:39 ... you seem to know this topic. I wonder a couple of things:

    (1) When you enter another country and get work papers, it seems that immediate easy things for the country and sponsoring company to check on would be the person's immediate criminal history in terms of their stated identity. So she would have to provide enough information to establish who she was which would then make it pretty easy to (and pretty beneficial both for the hiring company and the country) to check UMASS and Amherst criminal records. I say this because countries would screen for not wanting to get caught up in extradition issues with people who are wanted (not saying that Maura was, just that wouldn't they check)? As for the company, such checks avoid costs in the long run. What do you think?

    (2) In light of the above, do you think an identity change would have had to be involved for the new life in Ireland scenario?

    (3) James or Anon ... any idea whether maybe she was born in Ireland and thus had dual citizenship? Remember that kid who committed a murder in Maryland outside DC (I think) several years back? He was Jewish. His father spirited him off to Israel. Seems extreme, but then again, a lot about Maura's case seems inexplicably extreme.

    ~ John Green

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    1. (I have the dubious "distinction' of being Anonymous @ 9:39 :) ) Following along with Mr. Renner's possible scenario -- she could have been able to get into Canada with a driver's license especially if the vehicle she was travelling in was already in the Canada/US cross border system. Remember though, security was still pretty tight then on both sides of the border as a result of 9/11. She could have simply passed through Canada and with a US passport travelled to Ireland where US citizens don't need a visa in order to visit.

      There are lots of Kiwis and Aussies working at pubs and elsewhere all over Ireland and the UK without work visas. If they then get married or obtain sponsorship they can gain citizenship. Unless Interpol is on their tail pursuant to a major crime committed back home in the USA any small misdemeanour might remain under the radar. If Maura had a grandparent (or parent) who was born in Ireland she could also, with the appropriate documentation apply for citizenship.

      If she was that intent on escaping from UMass that week then it's possible she had the chutzpah to run to Ireland and start over. Why not? It seems she had nothing to lose.

      Maureen

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    2. Gosh Maureen, great! That is good factual stuff to chew on there. Thanks for responding to my post, and with not a whit of dubiousness either! ~John Green

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  7. I think it would be easy enough to just go to Canada and stay there to start a new life. Although it does make sense if she had family in Ireland, they could help her to start off there. Interesting, but seemingly far-fetched imo.

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    1. Contrary to popular myth, It's no so easy to stay in Canada or start a new life there without proper documentation. She might have been able to cross the border and catch a flight to Europe, but to stay in Canada would be challenging without a work or student visa.

      Kelty

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    2. Cam the CanadianJune 12, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      It would not be challenging to stay in Canada without documentation if you did not have to work -- i.e you had someone to pay the bills, and even so you could still potentially work under the table. As I said elsewhere the only challenge would be getting some sort of health insurance -- though a fake driver's license or a 'pay as you go' gamble might suffice.

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  8. Would it have been possible for Maura to assume the identity of one of her sisters. I remember in a post from Mr Renner a number of months ago that he said Maura and her sister Julie were so alike that a sighting of Maura was reported but when it was checked out it was her sister. It could have been decided quickly between the family that for whatever reason Maura needed to leave the US and she would use her sister's passport. If they did look very alike they could have decided it was worth the chance that a border official would not know the difference. I know it's all a bit far fetched but just a thought.

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  9. In my opinion, unless Maura committed identity theft (and did so extremely well), it would be almost impossible for her to relocate in a different country. First of all, there are massive security measures in place to monitor who enters and leaves the United States, and her status as a missing person would have raised a red flag somewhere in the process. And if she did manage to relocate, how would she get a work visa? How would she get housing without proof of citizenship or residency, and without a job and some sort of references? How would she have the money to pay for transportation and food while trying to get set up?

    -TJ

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    1. First stop / skip / hop Canada. Thereafter, who knows how she could have been assisted to jump to Ireland. Just as important, why would she need to run? The Vasi hit?

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    2. Gosh, how DO people work in countries where they don't have a work visa?? It's impossible!

      (sarcasm alert)

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    3. @05:35 AM -- Thanks for your sarcasm... Since you're so clever, please enlighten me with how you suggest that Maura Murray made a successful getaway with no money and no documents.

      -TJ

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    4. She might have still had her military ID from West Point and some bogus orders typed up... Or stolen the cash, etc.

      Anyways, it wasn't until 2007 where you needed a passport to travel to-from Canada.

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  10. That's an interesting idea. However, I do still have lingering questions about how she could pull this off... WITH SOMEONE ELSE. Let's suppose the accident wasn't an accident, she crashed there, at this specific spot, waiting for her accomplice to arrive. In the meantime, the bus driver stops and offers his help, she declines, and he leaves to the call the police. She has a 10 minute window to disappear, where this mysterious accomplice may or may not appear. THE PLAN seemed to have worked if this was indeed the plan, (she did take her phone with her after all), and she has not been seen or heard from in 8 years.

    Now, my biggest issue with this theory, that Maura willingly disappeared, is this: Who was her accomplice? Who would willingly go along with such a plan and leave no trace? After all this time? It's hard enough for one person to keep a secret, (Maura), but two people? There's no way she could've pulled this off without help. And let's be real here: the chances of her luring some other guy into her web, whereupon they stage a crime/accident scene and vanish together forever, is not too far removed from the slim chances of a serial killer cruising by with only minutes before the police arrive.

    I'm just doubtful they would be able to maintain their silence for this long, as well as there being no links to them from the things in room, email, phone records, computer, etc. It just doesn't wash. If this truly was the case, then Maura and her secret lover certainly would have pulled off one of the biggest capers in the history of crime and missing persons. She was obviously wasting her time trying to become a nurse. She should've went to work for the CIA.

    Anyway, I know they did several searches near the place where she vanished, but I just have this nagging feeling that she ran off and died out there, succumbing to the elements. The simplest explanation is often the best one. It's not sexy like the other theory, but how else would she remain gone for so long? Here's why: Just look at the blog Footsteps at the River's Edge. Hundreds of mostly young men, (and women too), disappear every year and are often found near or in local water areas. Why? Nobody knows why. It sort of defies rationalization, as 90% of are unlikely related to foul play. Most of these guys get drunk in a bar, wander off, and are later found in the water. It's so mysterious that some have speculated that there's a group of killers doing it, which also flies in the face of logic if you ask me.

    Now maybe Maura didn't end up in the water, but it's the same basic principle. Nature may have claimed her in those cold, lonely woods, as she was intoxicated. Her situation was already precarious, and putting myself in her shoes, I can only imagine the feeling of despair and disappointment she felt when she crashed her car that night, thinking this: How in the hell did I end up here with my life so chaotic? How am I gonna get out of this fucking mess? A DUI would've only added to that, so she fled. And if you think her remains would've been found already had she died out there, think again. There are other cases where police and FBI have scoured every inch of an area and turned up nothing, only to find the remains 1 year, 3 years, 5 years later. It happens.

    However, if Maura was picked up by a deviant serial killer in that mystical 10 minute window, then certainly she is one of the unluckiest people ever to live on this planet, and her alleged serial killer would have to be one of the luckiest.

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    1. Is there any solid proof that she was actually intoxicated? Perhaps it was part of her disappearing act to make it seem that way.

      I aree that it would have to be 100% luck/bad luck for a serial killer to just accidentally have been right there at the ready.

      Will the truth ever be revealed?!?

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    2. Fumero:

      Interesting line of reasoning. Thanks for posting it. I want to offer two points.

      First, some rely on improbability to rule out some scenarios. This has what the statisticians call "facial validity;" something that seems to make sense on the surface but that actually does not follow. If you take a probability pie of every woman who drove down 112 at night in a given period of time, you are correct that the intersection of events (the accident and appearance of the opportunistic nefarious person) is VERY low. However, if you slice up the probability pie of women gone missing without a trace, the nefarious interloper odds are MUCH higher. There is a conditional probability at hand, where the condition has obtained: Maura has already entered the realm unlikely life experiences because we know that something HIGHLY unlikely (compared to that pool of woman who drive down 112 over a given time) has ALREADY happened to her.

      My second point is an opinion, feeding off yours. I think it would very hard to wander into the woods and die and not be found, intentionally or by exposure. At least in that area. In terms of water, there have been 8 springs since then. A body has trouble staying under water even if weighted and containerized (see Laci Peterson). And most streams have trails near them. In terms of land, it is hard to get so far off trail that animals don't spread your remains back across where you came from, and/or your smell or your body are not picked up by hikers and cross country skiers. This is particularly the case in an area where there are a decent amount of residents and a high degree of leisure use, along with many campgrounds, blazed trails, tourists and a good number of paved roads.

      Maura was not, to my knowledge a backwoods hiker. She was a trail walker. I have done many of the peaks she has in NH, like Tripyramid. They are strenuously challenging for the effort required to get to the top, but you are follow well marked and obvious trails. By contrast, backwoods hiking in the brush - from where a body is less likely to surface takes hard work , strategizing and sometimes tools. I have done it in many areas, including NH, not too far from Woodsville. I just don't see her doing it that night. Yes, it can take a few years for the woods to yield a body, but in 3 days it will be 8 years.

      200 miles northeast, in the western portion of central Maine, your scenario is more likely. The terrain there is more rugged, but the challenges to wandering away into oblivion are less. It is so vast, with so few paved roads, so few people and - aside from more serious outdoors sportsmen - not that visited. I hiked some trails up there where I almost felt I could have dropped on the spot and never been found, due to the remoteness of the area as a whole. While Haverhill is not heavily populated, the area as a whole is not nearly that remote. Thus, finding the secluded place to die where the forest would not yield you up within 8 years would be much harder.

      But you know, now that I think of it, this supports your scenario: what if she wandered onto a large tract of unused private property, which is effectively more remote? Owners of such tracts sometimes never visit portions of it. There also can exist on seldom used, long access roads or trails, with portions that get grown over in a season or two, and which never were on a map. Maybe she now tragically lies in a place very accessible to an unwitting trespasser in 2004 and very remote today. (See the Brooke Wilberger case, where her killer took her up a logging road on private property and left her inside a half shell of a hollow log, in plain site near the road. Because it was on private property, some said her body may NEVER have been found but for her killer having been caught by other evidence.)

      ~John Green

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    3. Fumero - I agree with your post in many ways. I, like you, believe she wandered off to likely avoid a DUI and died due to the elements. This by far makes the most sense to me - all these other ideas seem very far fetched.

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  11. Yes. She was drunk. That's to me the great problem with the theory of her planning the crash as a way to escape. Why on earth drink in a moment when her alertness is needed more than usual? (To gather courage?) And if she was pretending, placing all that alcohol in the car to make it look like she was DUI-ing, well, where is the reason for doing that?

    I suppose Mr Renner's idea here is that Fred helped her? Fred, the dedicated father, would encourage his child to deliberately crash with her car? No father I know would do that. On the other hand the plan might have been to simply make the car stop and not slide across the road and crash into something? Still too dangerous for being a suggestion from a parent. In my experience.

    About her freezing to death out there, I too would find it the most possible scenario if it wasn't for Scarinza's description of how easy it was to spot the slightest detail on the ground from the helicopter and the complete absence of any item of her clothing, her bag and its contents. There is nothing.

    If she was picked up by somebody it is not necessarily so that he or she did anything bad to Maura. Maura could have gotten further away from the crash sight than what is often presumed before she froze to death or was murdered.

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    1. I think he might be elluding to a possible visit by family members to Ireland. She crashes, panics, leaves the country, and then gets in contact with someone... Or leaves clues of her possible whearabouts, and they track them. If this supposed trip were to happen with her father shortly after the disappeance, then my hinky meter would start freaking out.

      I wonder if she were actually fighting wih her dad about something... Confronted. She was closest to him... She might have taken off after feeling betrayed.

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  12. If the credit card problem was about to go away, and the relationship with her boyfriend/fiance was back on track, at least for the moment (evidenced by the content of phone calls and emails that day), and UMass had NOT kicked her out, why leave the country? Disappearing deliberately and/or faking her death and possibly getting caught for that would be worse than what you purport was driving her out of the country. While these sort of posts are titillating, why not wait to see what you learn, rather that treating the likely victim in this case and her family as if they were fictional characters--just spinning possible storylines? What you are doing here at times seems unprofessional and exploitive. That spoils the effect of your reporting, which should be about getting to the truth, which you can do (as reporters and writers did for years) without posting all sorts of ideas with nothing to back it up. so someone in the Murray family was interested in going? Like nearly every east coast Irish-
    American. You' e got good stuff to post, like the materials from the FOIA request. Why get down in the gutter with posts like this one?

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  13. there is no way to she could have boarded a flight to Europe without her passport. Only way this could be possible is if she stayed in Canada for a prolonged period of time, acquired a fake identity (complete with a passport and other ID documentation) and then left for Ireland.

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    1. I can find no evidence that authorities checked with TSA about passports. I'm not saying she did escape to Ireland. But she could have easily have used her real passport to get over there.

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    2. She supposedly has a relative in Nova Scotia who once actively participated in forum postings. In response to Anonymous @ 4:49, it is conceivable that connections to Canada could have been accessed. Whether and how likely that would have happened is unknown.

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  14. Why would the serial killer have been so lucky, happens all the time, wrong place, wrong time. Lots of mysterious disappearances and also not really in the wrong place, wrong time, but someone with a scanner could have been alerted to the accident, and not so much just 'happen by'. I do hope she's in Ireland living the good life, but also dont' think it's so far fetched that someone was on to a woman being in a car, stranded and took advantage.

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    1. That the area is known to be well traveled by local residents without incidents, before and after her disappearance, leans toward its being safe, not unsafe. This is corroborated by NH statistics, and well documented by first hand accounting of area residents who live in the immediate area.
      Folks who listen to scanners may be nosey, but would seem highly unlikely to have sinister intent. An awareness by scanner that a woman is stranded by a disabled vehicle is usually met with an offer to help, not harm.

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    2. I can not agree with this post. First of all you are stating a lot of 'what ifs' Well known area to be safe by what standards? Also who says that a person listening to a scanner would not have a sinister intent, how would we know this? Anyone could have a scanner, you could be a perfectly well intentioned person, or you could be a miserable wretched predator. The officer did get there to help, but too late, someone else got there first it would seem. There are a lot of people in the North Country that have disappeared and been killed. I think that is a fact isn't it?

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    3. I agree. I do like Mr. Renner and I think he's a good researcher, but I think it'd be better to stick to the facts rather than speculation. This particular theory is in fact wildy speculative unfortunetly. (If you think I'm kidding, try reading "The Ultimate Evil" about the Son of Sam and "Black Dahlia Avenger" by Steve Hodel, both full of loose conjecture and ridiculous connections; after reading 500 pages of continually barrelling off the rails, I felt like they could've named George W. Bush as being part of the Son of Sam cult and I wouldn't have cared at that point).

      Anyway, don't look for where she's at, but why she left. That's where the answers are, with regards to Fred, Bill, and the rest of her family. (I'd be tracking down the other woman Bill was cheating with and get her take on Bill). Despite the info we've been fed on TV shows by Fred and Sharon, Maura wasn't just another missing person who "lit up the room," as they say ad nauseum. There were dark corners in her life and the same could be said for those around her.

      Oh, and to those saying her body would have been found if she succumbed to the elements, consider this: They did do several small searches of the area when she first disappeared, but the police themselves did not do an extensive line search for another 5 months. In that time, anything could have happened to her remains. So for the serial killer theory and the disappearing on purpose theory to be considered, however far fetched, you also have to consider this as well, even though most people seem to think it's impossible for her to have died out there and not be found. The Molly Bish case is a perfect example. Her remains were passed over many times during the extensive police and FBI searches in that particular area, and yet somehow she remained there undiscovered for 3 years, (and a piece of her torn bathing suit).

      Also, who are the sex offenders in that area, and did they live in that surrounding area when she vanished? If so, you know the police have already looked at them and they could be one of the possible suspects the police have been alluding to. To explore the theory of her being abducted, I would have someone profile the possible abductor to nail something down. It's not an exact science, but it would help detail the possible abductor rather than just saying "oh, he's a serial killer." It's not what type of person would have picked her up, but what kind of killer was he.

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    4. Your right, the Molly Bish case! I remember this. They searched for her body several times, and her remains her actually found not far from the swimming hole where she went missing.

      Mr Renner,could you answer a question? When is the last time a search was done of the area? Have volunteers stopped doing physical walking searches altogether? I feel like this should be checked in more. Maybe another search can be done!

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  15. I have a friend who has lived in both the US and Ireland. He is also in the process of moving members of his family (who are US citizens) to Dublin. He says that the entry would NOT be reported by Irish Immigration.

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  16. Although I never want to rule out anything until it is proven not to be true, I think this is far out. Really? I find it hard that Maura, a young college girl would devise such a plan. I mean she couldn’t have pulled off an escape to Ireland without some help. Not only that, but they would do a background check or something on her. They don’t just let any Tom, Dick and Harry roam around the world as they please.
    I think this is far from what has happened. Let’s stay on the ground here.

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  17. PS. That's not to say that records of entry on a specific person cannot be requested by authorities. She would have still needed a passport or some form of identification. Seeing as how this is a missing persons case, I would hope that the police pursued this possibilty and contacted Irish Immigration.

    Side note: Personally, I think it would have been easier for MM to leave the country under her own name. Especially if she had not actually been convicted of any crimes at that point. She could have traveled under her own name and not raised any red flags. Traveling under a stolen identity is a lot more risky. I'm not sure (based on what we know to be fact) that MM had it in her to be that cunning and savvy with the task of assuming an identity and skipping the country. Post 9/11, boarding a plane is not always a walk in the park for any of us. At the very least, I do not see how MM would leave the country without help. So I'm agreeing with everyone when I say someone knows something. Money, proper documentation, trickery, ect.....as sad as it is, the theory of her dying in the woods seems more plausible. Fleeing the country under an assumed identity is a lot more difficult than using a stolen debit card number to order pizza (not to mention she was caught at even this crime). Either she had extreme luck and the perfect escape artist on her side or she never left the country. Just my opinion.

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    1. Her 1420/1600 SAT score roughly correlates to >99.5th percentile IQ. I wouldn't put it past her to outwit everyone in an escape, even if she got caught in the credit card incident.

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    2. Book smarts is one thing. Street smarts is another....

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  18. Sorry for "hijacking" this thread, but for lack of a better alternative, here goes:
    In the accident report filled out by Officer Cecil Smith of Haverhill PD, NH, it is clearly being stated that both airbags (driver´s and passenger´s) had deployed, presumably after Maura´s crash at the WB curve on Rte 112 in NH.

    Provided that there is a separate passenger seat sensor which activates the deployment of the front passenger airbag, wouldn´t this likely indicate that Maura might have had a passenger in the car at the time of the accident?

    I´ve been unable to verify whether this actually was the case with the 1996 model Saturn, but it would seem pretty likely. Perhaps someone would be able to confirm or dismiss this being so?

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    1. I don't think her vehicle had that technology. She had an older, middle of the road car. The cars of that era, with an airbag sensor, were more on the high end.

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    2. I was in a car accident about a year ago and slid into a median mostly covered by a snowbank. Although the snowbank blunted the impact I also hit the part of the median the snow did not cover. My truck was loaded down with personal goods and my passenger seat was stuffed with boxes and bags (although nothing too heavy), as was the ground of the passenger seat. I doubt I was going more than 25 mph when I hit the median but both airbags went off. I am pretty sure the passenger airbag went off because of everything I had in the passenger seat area. The truck is 2005, newer than Maura's. I would think that even if she did have an airbag sensor in the car, if her bag and whatever else in the passenger seat was heavy it could have been enough to set off the airbag.

      -Jenny

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  19. Here is my personal theory as to what she did if she planned this. To understand, you first have to start from 4 principles:
    1. Most people do not smack themselves in the head, not even to fool people in a runaway.
    2. The accident scene is wierd. Her car, according to Mr. Renner's accident reconstruction made an "apex" for the snowbank. Anyone who knows anything about driving will tell you when a car is fast, the back end is usually out of control. That is all the more so when the curve is only 20mph.
    3. She is no fool. She has been caught for credit fraud and knows police follow paper trails.
    4. VERY IMPORTANT: She is going to get her other car the following week. I know people will disclaim this by asserting the father is a liar, but she does need a new vehicle. Not only would she have a different car, but most likely her dad would probably have suggested trading in the old one to get some money off the price. She needs this car as it is more believable.

    Remind you, even I believe this theory is complete bs before I write it, but maybe if someone reads it they will realize why it is so dumb that everyone thinks(including myself) that we are all Sherlock Holmes. It many respects this theory is kind of like the Kansas City Shuffle.

    I would go to the liquor store to buy all the booze because I would want people to think I am getting drunk. That is not the real reason for the bottles. Now Mr. Renner has claimed that all the alcohol was accounted for but I read a bottle was missing. The reason for the maps, the phone call to the cottage in Bartlett, etc. is to make others believe she is going to a destination. Maybe she has traveled 112 before and knows where that antique store is so she floors it into the snowbank to get the airbags to go off(highly unbelievable but whatever). Next is the tricky part. She needs to use one of the thick glass bottles she has. If she needs more than one try she has more. First, she pours out the liquor into the snow. Then she wraps the bottle or most of it in the rag. Then she smashes the bottle against the windshield, catching most of the glass in the rag and keeping from getting cut. After disposing of the fragments in her backpack, the rag might have a little alcohol residue on it from the bottle fragments. So she shoves it up the tailpipe so it smells like exhaust and not alcohol(again, highly unbelievable because police would have checked for glass or alcohol on rag). I would also think that any layman might think twice as they would know it might also cause a fire. Again, highly unlikely. Bus driver probably stops by as she is collecting stuff from car and she hightails it out of there down the road and probably would take the side intersecting road as she would have to run pass bus driver's house if she ran down 112. Most likely would run past Forcier's as he on the corner. After that it is probably just a waiting, walking game to take a taxi somewhere(again, highly unlikely as police would have checked taxi records for any of the closest). After that she hightails it to Ireland where she enjoys the fine Irish ale in an Irish pub celebrating the accomplishment of fooling all of us and the New Hampshire State Police. Sinn Fein and well done.

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    1. this is very sharp thinking and, in my opinion, seemingly more possible than someone else stuffing the rag up the tailpipe and following her to take advantage of an accident.

      eyewitnesses in a house said there was a flurry of activity at the trunk. because of that, i always imagined maura bending down to put it up there, but couldn't come up with a "maybe" for why she'd have done it. i think you possibly have.

      to your hypothetical some might say, "why not just take the rag with you?" but if she had designs to take off, what better way to muddy the waters than leave the rag in the tailpipe? just look at how much confusion it's created.

      your point about a new car coming into the picture is astute; if she had formulated plans to take off (she'd thought about in the past, according to her assistant track coach, and if you think about doing it, you think about how you'd do it) and those plans relied on a beat-up car to lend that plan verisimilitude, then her window of opportunity was closing.

      working off your line of thinking -- which you shouldn't present as BS, it's critical analysis that doesn't seem as far-fetched as you might think -- let me add this:

      why the flurry of activity near the trunk?

      that point seems to be taken for granted. she needed to get something, she got something, then she was on her way. but why ...

      is it possible that the wine was intentionally splattered in the car to make responders think she had been drinking and driving? that is, in the briefest of moments that maura had to get away, what in the trunk was so essential to have? why was it in the trunk to begin with?

      backpacks, especially for college kids, hold the essentials. i'm many years out of school and mine still rides shotgun, because it's easily accessible when I need something; was hers in the trunk so as not to become soaked by alcohol?

      the point: what did she retrieve from the trunk? why was it there to begin with?

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    2. That's not a theory, it's a fairy tale.

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    3. So was I right...about the bottles?

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    4. I always wondered if she had retrieved a flashlight from the emergency kit in the trunk. It would be nice to know if she did.

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  20. Would it be hard to find out if Maura even had a passport? No matter what, you must get a new passport when you turn 18. I do not think we even need to see if Maura actually got a new passport; we only need to know if she went on any trips abroad after she turned 18. If she did not, I would be very surprised if she had a valid passport, especially if US citizens only needed a driver's license to enter Canada in 2004.

    I do not think we should dismiss Maura's intelligence. Just because she was young and a girl, does not mean that she was not smart enough to pull a disappearance off. I think most people who disappear have probably thought about it a lot in the years/months leading up to it. I do not think that Maura's disappearance had been very well thought out in the days/hours leading up to it, but I wonder if she had not thought about it enough over the years to pull it off relatively easily.

    Also, living illegally in another country is not as hard as people make it out to be. So long as you do not commit any crimes or leave and re-enter the country, you could live there pretty openly without getting "caught." Heck I knew a woman (US citizen) who went to the UK, made up some Canadian work number, and lived there for years as a "Canadian." She had several jobs and no one ever bothered to check and see if that number was valid. Would it really be that hard for a girl from the Northeast to blend in in Canada? Of course not. From everything I read, the story of Maura's disappearance did not even make the news in Canada. She could still be using her own name. There is not some magical computer program that alerts the FBI every time someone called Maura Murray fills out a job application in Canadan or anything. In fact, there was a woman how went missing a few years ago, who had gotten a job, apartment, etc, all under her own name, but it never came up. Maura could even be living somewhere in the US.

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    1. You don't need to get a new passport when you turn 18. I got one when I was 15 or 16 and am not due for a new one until I'm 25.

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  21. If the assistant AG is 75% sure they are going to be filing criminal charges in this case, how can she be a run away? Its not a crime to run away. When was the last time they did a ground search? I have a feeling one day a hunter or fisherman will come across some of her remains.

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